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Dave replied to Andrew Wiggans's discussion Wigan Leisure and Culture Trust - 10 years on in the group The transfer processDave replied to Dave's discussion Colaboration, consortia and service transfer in the group The transfer process"Guys - many thanks for your responses! Sorry its taken me so long to come back…up to my eyes at the mo! All very useful stuff. I am indeed involved in such, though it’s very early days and the "geography"…"
Ailsa Clark replied to Dave's discussion Colaboration, consortia and service transfer in the group The transfer process"Hello Dave, this is an area of work that we considered as part of our work for the Local Services Initiative in Argyll in supporting Third Sector organisations who held existing Service Level Agreementsd for delivering waste related services. …"
Tom Archer replied to Dave's discussion Colaboration, consortia and service transfer in the group The transfer process"I guess this idea of consortia makes economic sense, and also sense in terms of the efficiency of the commissioning process.
I have an instinctive uneasiness about it though. One of my biggest criticisms of third sector provision of social…"
Andrew Wiggans replied to Dave's discussion Colaboration, consortia and service transfer in the group The transfer process"You've hit on a real issue. Commissioners won't like the 'messiness' of being involved with lots of groups. If nothing else this massively complicates the whole contract monitoring process etc. And small groups won't…"
Tom Archer left a comment for Dave"Thanks Dave,
I'm tempted to keep asking questions, but i think you'd need to start charging a consultancy fee! The bits that spoke to me most were your comments about 'hands on support and 'lead in' times.
Over the…"
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Colaboration, consortia and service transfer
HelloI just wondered if any you folk were engaged in service transfer into a consortium or other such co-operative entity? It's something that seems to be emerging and there seems to be a twofold push:Commissions want a "single conversation" and less politics!VCS want more strategic fit and thus more influence, reach and resource and can better achieve that through collaborationIn one way it seems an obvious way to go for both “sides”, but I can see real tensions.Let’s imagine your average…See More
Dave replied to Andrew Wiggans's discussion Wigan Leisure and Culture Trust - 10 years on in the group The transfer process"Am intrigued - if Wigan is like most LA's (and I'm sure it is) there's a whole agenda about pointing resources at "the most needy" and solving some of the really tricky issues localy, regarding social care, health, crime…"
Dave left a comment for Tom Archer""It must be a double edged sword being part of the programme; on the one hand receiving valuable support, whilst on the other having to deliver results quickly. I guess when you're trying to build trust/reciprocal relationships you…"
Dave left a comment for Tom Archer""I think your commissioning example was great. Lots of questions. How did you convince senior managers to move to 3 year contracts? How did you help get community groups ready for more formal contract arrangements etc?"
Re…"
Tom Archer left a comment for Dave"Hi Dave,
Great starter for 10, thanks for taking the time. I've just had a look at the NESTA webpage. I'm familiar with some of their Public Service Lab stuff (e.g.Supporting Social Enterprise), but not People Powered…"
Dave left a comment for Tom Archer"Tom
Re the MH project, you can find quite a bit of information here:
http://www.nesta.org.uk/areas_of_work/public_services_lab/people_powered_health (I’m part of the Stockport Project)
My initial observation that…"
Tom Archer left a comment for Dave"Hi Dave,
Thanks for your comment and welcome to the Service Transfer group! Your comments about power, authority and finance strike so many cords regarding my current work.
As a starter i'd be really interested to know more about…"
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This theme is about(a) How services can be effectively transferred from local authorities to new partnerships with social enterprises and the third sector; and(b) innovations in rural service design and delivery emerging from this proceSee More
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- Welcome! FierySpirits is for activists and professionals who are building vibrant, resilient rural communities. Tell us a little about why you'd like to join?
- I'm attempting to set up something similar for those shaping childhoods in the NW region (on behalf of s charity, Playwork NW) I'd also like to be part of the community you've created, and see how it works for real!
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- I have created a consultancy, specialising in working with the non-profit and public sector . My role is to test instincts and ideas and support the development successful approaches to delivering ambitions. I'm especially interested in developing an effective interface between public, private and non-profit organisations to deliver social good.
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- At 18:54 on February 2, 2012, Tom Archer said…
Thanks Dave,
I'm tempted to keep asking questions, but i think you'd need to start charging a consultancy fee! The bits that spoke to me most were your comments about 'hands on support and 'lead in' times.
Over the last year i've been supporting groups of people trying to develop community-owned/run organisations to tackle poor housing/dereliction. Most groups i meet have impressive energy and an invaluable understanding of their local area - 'lived experience'. What they often lack is the 'technical' knowledge about the planning system, legal formats and planning finances (an old story). What i've found is that unless the groups get some early input to make sense of this goobledegook, then they tend to lose will/momentum.
This takes me back to the stuff i was saying two years ago in this report on self-help. We were pushing for greater investment in interemdiaries (probably people like you!) to mediate between state services and groups, and to provide the required support.
I think there's alot wrong with the research we did, but its interesting that these issues of support/facilitation/mediation persist.
P.S. Will have a look at your consortium post and give it some thought.
- At 13:33 on January 31, 2012, Tom Archer said…
Hi Dave,
Great starter for 10, thanks for taking the time. I've just had a look at the NESTA webpage. I'm familiar with some of their Public Service Lab stuff (e.g.Supporting Social Enterprise), but not People Powered Health. It must be a double edged sword being part of the programme; on the one hand receiving valuable support, whilst on the other having to deliver results quickly. I guess when you're trying to build trust/reciprocal relationships you can't rush things?
What i find interesting about your Stockport project is it seems a genuinely cross-sector endeavour - about more than just generating cost savings for public purse. This is often the starting point for service transfers. I wonder how the public providers are adapting to this much more equitable partnership approach?
I think your commissioning example was great. Lots of questions. How did you convince senior managers to move to 3 year contracts? How did you help get community groups ready for more formal contract arrangements etc?
In February we'll be putting out a call for proposals to take this work on Service Transfer forward. If you have any thoughts on how we can support better commissioning processes, or develop more co-productive ways of delivering certain public services, then i'd be keen to hear. Do post something up on The Transfer Process comments board.
Tom
- At 15:07 on January 26, 2012, Tom Archer said…
Hi Dave,
Thanks for your comment and welcome to the Service Transfer group! Your comments about power, authority and finance strike so many cords regarding my current work.
As a starter i'd be really interested to know more about your mental health co-production project. I'd also be really keen to get your thoughts on commissioning processes - what services you were involved in commissioning, and any pitfalls or good practice that springs to mind.
Some members of the group are working on pilot project, funded by Carnegie, looking at how the local Council can work more collaboratively with the third sector (more info here - http://fieryspirits.com/group/ruralservices/forum/topics/argyll-and-bute-local-services). Would be good to connect you with them.
Here's to many a fruitful conversation!
Tom
- At 12:03 on January 26, 2012, Tom Archer said…
Hi Dave,
I'm a Carnegie Associate working on the 'Service Transfer' topic. I recently read your FierySpirits profile and was interested to read about your work, which sounds very similar to mine! I was also interested to read about your specialities - particularly around commissioning. I'm developing quite a bit of content on this for the Service Transfer topic group, sharing experiences and wisdom via written and video content. I'd be really keen to get you take on some of this.
You can join the group by following this link (http://fieryspirits.com/group/ruralservices).
Anyway, I hope the work is going well.
Tom Archer
- At 14:30 on September 9, 2011,
Nick Wilding said… Hi Dave
Many thanks indeed for your review of 'Exploring Community Resilience' in NewStart, and your comments in response to the thread here... it's incredibly valuable to have that kind of considered and carefully constructed feedback ... very stimulating!
We're going to keep the feedback process going for a while but I'll be back in touch with everyone in the resilience group as we discern next steps
Best wishes for now
Nick @ Carnegie
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